{"id":15230,"date":"2019-06-19T00:28:20","date_gmt":"2019-06-19T00:28:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thefabulous.co\/qa\/in-zen-meditation-they-say-that-you-should-surf-on-your-thoughts-and-not-eliminate-them-but-i-cant-understand-the-difference\/"},"modified":"2020-05-06T11:57:22","modified_gmt":"2020-05-06T11:57:22","slug":"in-zen-meditation-they-say-that-you-should-surf-on-your-thoughts-and-not-eliminate-them-but-i-cant-understand-the-difference","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thefabulous.co\/qa\/in-zen-meditation-they-say-that-you-should-surf-on-your-thoughts-and-not-eliminate-them-but-i-cant-understand-the-difference\/","title":{"rendered":"In zen meditation, they say that you should \u201csurf\u201d on your thoughts and not eliminate them, but I can\u2019t understand the difference."},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Mark U.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">Surfing your thoughts is a lot like channel surfing; your mind is jumping from thought to thought.  This means you\u2019re not eliminating your thoughts, but rather focusing on different ones.<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div><div class=\"thefa-test2 thefa-entity-placement\" id=\"thefa-2190247391\"><div id=\"thefa-3899710626\"><style>.thefa-test2 {margin-bottom: 24px;}<\/style>\r\n<div class=\"banner-content-position light-viol\">\r\n<div class=\"banner-text max400\">Stop wasting your mornings<\/div>\r\n<a href=\"https:\/\/start.thefabulous.co\/onboarding\/fabulous-initial?utm_source=community-qa&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=afterfirstquestionoranswer-purple-achievegoals\" class=\"banner-cta red w-inline-block\">\r\n<div>Build a better life<\/div><\/a>\r\n<\/div><\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Regina B.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">The difference is subtle, and from my experience, can best be learnt by patient practice. Eliminating thoughts is already &quot;doing&quot;. It results in a state of stress that LOOKS like a calm mind, but actually it&#39;s the opposite. You have a very polarized stance &#8211; the thoughts are unwanted, calm is wanted. The &quot;correct&quot; way is to aim towards calm, but not strive&#8230; Makes sense? <\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Kenzi Z.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">What they mean is ride the thought as it comes in and as it goes instead of being angry and trying to force it to go away. What you resist persists, as they say. So here\u2019s a thought and let it go by like a cloud. Some people like to say thinking, thinking.  Some people might think of another and then let them both go.  It\u2019s a process, A practice the only way to lose is to give up.<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Inaya U.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">I find that in my meditation sessions, the instructor uses a more helpful analogy- he calls it noting. The way I understand his technique is to pretend it is a bubble (imagine blowing bubbles using those bubble wand toys) each  thought is a bubble and rather than \u201csurfing\u201d the thought, instead just label the bubble&#x2F;thought as a thinking or feeling and then imagine the bubble floating up and seeing it pop&#8230;.so you\u2019ve acknowledged the thought, labeled it, and moved on to the next bubble&#x2F;thought that may come along. Hopefully I\u2019m making sense.  <\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Priteche C.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">I think the idea behind surfing your thoughts is best described in an analogy.<br \/>\nPretend that the ocean is your mind. A deep wast ocean holds many things, a lot of which is hidden deep down, but those thoughts come upon the shore of consciousness in waves. Often several waves crash all at once and we try to focus on them as they land, all at once.<br \/>\nWhen you meditate, you send your consciousness out onto the ocean and face one thought at a time like a surfer faces the waves, one at a time. As the waves pass us, we have acknowledged them so when they hit the shore, we have already taken the time needed to address the thought, problem, whatever it may be, and we can move on from it, not eliminate the thought, just move past it.<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Valdemar G.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\"> It\u2019s like imagining you riding a wave whether you are bobbing up and down in the ocean with your body or laying on or standing up on a surf board.  Your thoughts, like you are connected To the community around you and nature just as each one of the molecules of water are connected in the ocean- you and your thoughts are one with a greater reality. Embrace being one with all that is and as the waves come and go just observe them feel the swell of the wave, And observe how the wave of one thought is not permanent, it dissolves Into the greater body of all that is<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Gregory J.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">Acknowledging and accepting your thoughts is important, showing compassion and kindness to whatever your mind may wander to, accepting and owning your thoughts without pushing them away.<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Olivia C.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">I am not that clever on this subject, but I think it is about not using your focus on getting rid of them. If you focus on getting rid of them they will gain power and more thoughts will come. If you try to accept that they are there but don&#39;t give them any attention, they will &quot;give up&quot; and let you be more peaceful. <\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Pat A.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">I guess that is a pretty abstract way of putting it. It\u2019s more like this IMHO: once you realise you have got involved in a thought or thinking in general (i.e. that you\u2019ve lost touch with the fact your meditating), gently bring your attention back to your breath. No need to get upset or disappointed or other negative feelings about yourself because we all have busy minds, some days more than others &#8211; so it\u2019s normal to get distracted from our meditation. So basically, it\u2019s like looking at your thoughts without getting involved in them.<br \/>\nA great read on this subject is Headspace by Andy Puddicombe. Excellent book, great guidance, and much better explanation than what I could give.  HTH. <\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">M Rcia S.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">You surf on the thought in the sense that you notice it is there, and acknowledge its presence, and by acknowledging&#x2F;noticing that you are thinking, guide yourself back to the breath&#x2F;your meditation anchor.<br \/>\nEliminating the thought is suppressing it, actively forcing yourself not to think, which is counterproductive. You surf the thought to get to your breath, but you don\u2019t \u201cdrown it\u201d by a forceful eliminating of the thought.<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Oxana R.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">It is okay that some thoughts appear during the meditation. But the main thing here is to get concentrated on the breathing, so you don&#39;t &quot;eliminate&quot; your thoughts, but get focused without it<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Isabella E.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">When I meditate snd a thought comes to me I don&#39;t try to &quot;eliminate it &quot; if I do that I would be clinging to my thought and then my focus and peace would be lost . Instead. If i understand that there will be thoughts and acept they sre there but don&#39;t judge them, that is like we surf on waves then they tend to dissipate and my calm is strengthen. I think that is the meaning of surfing on out thoughts.<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Curt U.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">They mean you should let thoughts come and go but not get hooked on any of them. I guess it\u2019s less like catching a wave on a surf board and more like laying on your board waiting for the perfect wave to appear except you don\u2019t want it to appear, you want to just sit and keep bobbling up and down on the waves around you not catching onto one in particular. So you\u2019re not trying to stop the waves (thoughts) &#8211; that would be impossible. You\u2019re just trying to ride them as they come and go without following one that would take you to shore.<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Noelle P.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">What that means is basically rather than trying to shut out all thoughts you have, you instead acknowledge the thoughts that you have, let them pass by and then return to being in the present moment. So instead of focusing on trying to fight away any thoughts you have, you focus on simply becoming aware of your thoughts instead.<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Thomas O.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">Acknowledge thy they are there and think of them as a river that you aren\u2019t getting wet from\u2014 you\u2019re not in the water you\u2019re watching it\u2014 riding it<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Herbert F.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">The guy on Headspace talks about your consciousness being the blue sky and your thoughts the clouds that drift past.  Surfing your thoughts would be the same as fixating on a cloud or clouds that drift past in the sky.  It is about understanding the composition of your mind and working on seeing both your sky and your clouds- your consciousness and your thoughts and not letting fixation on your clouds&#x2F;thoughts obstruct you from also seeing your sky&#x2F;consciousness.<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"single-answer\">\n<div class=\"who-answered\">Debbie O.<\/div>\n<div class=\"detailed-answer\">I think that means you should notice your thoughts but not dwell on them too much. Some thoughts are just thoughts, they are not always how you really feel and they aren\u2019t always true. <\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Mark U. Surfing your thoughts is a lot like channel surfing; your mind is jumping from thought to thought. This means you\u2019re not eliminating your thoughts, but rather focusing on different ones. Regina B. The difference is subtle, and from my experience, can best be learnt by patient practice. Eliminating thoughts is already &quot;doing&quot;. 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